Well no, I don’t think it’s worth dung, i think it’s worth the same as any other animal embryo, because both when grown in labs have 0 chances of becoming humans on their own. The labs for artificial pregnancy and the labs for experimentation have different purposes, and therefore the embryos inside have different worth because one will possibly become human, the other will not. I am referring to the lab grown ones for experimentation, which are not allowed to grow past 14 days in the first place, which would still be extremely small and lack even the most basic of nerves. That Is what I am saying has little moral value, something that won’t be born in the first place, same as a sterilized chicken egg. The lab experimentation is ethical, but arbitrarily killing frozen embryos meant for pregnancy with no stated reason is unethical, because that was INTENDED to be a child, which is one of the sole factors in the problem. When I say clump of cells, I am referring to a very recently fermented egg that has no nerves, brain, or even bones to speak of. I am referring to something long before even the fetus stage, which is almost visually indistinguishable from a chicken embryo or a lizard embryo, because they’re still not solidified biologically to become a human fetus if they won’t be incubated by a human at all. The “clump of cells” is in reference to small, dependent, and unfeeling cells with little to nothing to distinguish them from anything else, which is ethical to experiment with, because nothing will come of those embryos that cannot feel or think in the first place. It’s nearly entirely the same as a sperm with unique DNA, and that’s just about it. A common argument by others is that the embryo is unique, and therefore must be incubated the full way, which changes nothing of its moral value since all that can tangibly be related to is foreign semi-tissue that has no nerves. The ambiguity lies with the situation at hand, not the existence of the embryo itself. For an embryo that will never, nor can ever, become a human, it has a different moral value, and precisely the same value as any other animal embryo, which we experiment with all the tjme.
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If you can concede that it has some moral value at all, and that the lines appear to you to be very blurry, why will you not do the ethical thing and assign maximum possible moral value to it just in case it has the moral value of a human? Is that really a risk you want to run – facilitating a practice that could well be just as abominable as murder – after all, you haven't a clue what the moral value precisely should be, and why?
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I conceded a specific moral value: the exact same worth as an embryo of any other animal or being. It’s got worth, but it’s death is more of a sad thing that’s undesirable, but doesn’t gain the protections of human rights or anywhere near it.I also didn’t say the lines were blurry, I said the issue wasn’t a binary one and that it’s based upon situation. If the intent is for that embryo to become a child later, preservation remains a priority, but if it has to happen, termination is okay. For lab brown embryos that aren’t meant to become a fetus,… Read more
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There is a massive body of scientific evidence that proves that life begins at the point of conception and that human embryos are in fact human beings – they are just much smaller, and look much different, than us. The Alabama Supreme Court ruling that was just conducted removes this moral dilemma by stopping people from using embryos as lab rats for their scientific experiments and research so they can stay in their mother's womb AND BECOME fully-functioning humans beings. And why would a HUMAN embryo have equal value to an ANIMAL embryo – do you not believe that humans are more important than animals?
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And at no point did I disagree with that, however a fully grown human being has a different moral value than a fully grown one. For an embryo, it is a lot less because, to begin with, it will not grow to become a full human, and is incapable of feeling anything at all, much less pain. It has the same value as an animal embryo in my eyes because both will not become human when done in the lab setting, since that was neither the intention, nor the worry at all, and since the embryo won’t feel or think at all, it’s not going to have the same value as a full-grown human.
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Then that creates a moral dilemma for you – are people who are senile, maybe have dementia, and using anaesthetic or painkiller, then fair game to be gunned down in cold blood? After all, they feel no pain and can't form a logical thought!